Talk:Weight Loss/Archive 1 - Struggling With Weight Loss

Expand the Intentional Weight Loss Section?

I think the Intentional Weight Loss section should be expanded to read something like this:

Weight loss occurs when an individual is in a state of negative energy balance. When the human body is spending more energy in work and heat than it is gaining from food or other nutritional supplements, it will use stored reserves of fat or muscle. There are many methods for intentional weight loss, including carbohydrate and calorie reduction, a general improvement in diet, and even bariatric surgery.

The source page would be: http://www.modernmedicine.com/modernmedicine/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=519969

Adding this Modern Medicine page is a helpful resource for doctors and patients who are struggling with weight loss and it would ultimately make this page more helpful to Wikipedia visitors.

I also propose adding an internal link to the bariatric surgery page within my recommended edits, as some readers may not know the definition of bariatric surgery. That page should be: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bariatric_surgery. --Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.190.187.4 (talk) 21:17, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Is this appropriate just by itself? Strike paragraph recommendation

The part "Raw vegetables are low in calories and high in nutrient density. Eating high quantities in blended or liquid form is a way to consume fewer calories and enjoy a feeling of satisfaction as body cells receive the nutrients they need." under Therapeutic weight loss techniques sounds like a biased statement (note 'sounds'). It lacks citing(s), and similar references to other sources of caloric energy. This could be a potential headache. I propose to strike that paragraph, or include all possible sources of caloric energy which are used in theraputic weight loss. Libertate 19:15, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Uh, don't know what section this would go in, but someone should list the number of calories per pound of body fat. --Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.231.37.167 (talk) 08:23, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Improvement drive

Obesity has been nominated to be improved on Wikipedia:This week's improvement drive. Vote for it there to support the article.--Fenice 20:16, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

cocaine! what the hell!

it made me laugh when i read that cocaine was included in the methods of losing weight. that's excellent advice!

• Don't try this at home... Kappa 23:40, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

• Better at home than a pub toilet! If you are interested in some info that works, try http://www.healthyfoodexpert.com --Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.127.159.42 (talk) 21:08, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

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Supplements

What about supplements that aren't appetite suppressants but affect the body's metabolic rate (eg [1])? Rd232 ^talk 15:35, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

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Cleanup

I added a cleanup tag to this article because the phrasing needs serious work. I started to clean it up myself but I went insane. --Captaindan 20:58, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

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Removed some parts

I tried to rewrite this the best I could. I did delete some parts that I considered more like part of a "how do lose weight" guide than an encyclopedic article. I added some new information too. This article still needs a lot of citations for its medical claims though.--Wood Thrush 03:07, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

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Exteral link recommendation

To the editors: I just wanted to recommend http://loseweight.yourhealthonline.info as a possible external link. The website discusses a variety of weight loss methods, including their benefits, risks, and expert opinions.

expanding Intentional weight loss

"Other methods of losing weight include use of drugs that decrease appetite," should be changed to "Other methods of losing weight include use of drugs and nutritional supplements that decrease appetite, block fat absorption, fat replacement, or reduce stomach volume,"

Examples can refer to anorectics, recombinant PYY 3-36, Hoodia Gordonii, Olestra, etc. Libertate

Remove non WP:EL References links

Some of the references point to short write ups on research. Per WP:EL, it should point to the actual research not the write up on the research. Libertate 23:16, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Valarch keeps on adding spam to this page

Valarch keeps on putting back the following links: eatsprouts.com/blend/energy.html and eatsprouts.com/blend/green.html in the following section:
Raw vegetables are low in calories, high in nutrient density. Eating high quantities in blended or liquid form is a way to consume fewer calories and enjoy a feeling of satiation as body cells receive the nutrients they need. Popular blending recipes include Energy Soup - provides a very low-calorie liquid protein diet - and Green Smoothies, a blend of fruit and green leafy vegetables.
Most of his contributions to wikipedia contains a link to that eatsprouts site...
Is there a way to stop him/her from using wikipedia to promote what is most probably his personal bussiness?

What evidence?

"However, as reported by the National Institutes of Health (NIH), such treatment programs have a historic failure rate of 98%." Where? And if the NIH, a government organization, says that the treatment programs have a failure rate of 98%, why is such a program promoted on the FDA website: http://www.fda.gov/opacom/lowlit/weightls.html

I have seen this statistic cited many times without an actual source - I have searched the nih.gov page and turned up nothing regarding a 98% failure rate and weightloss. Therefore I am removing this from the article until it can be sourced to the NIH. I suggest it also be removed from other articles like "Dieting" until such evidence is found. --DA Roc 01:39, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

More What evidence?

"The easiest weight loss method has become mail ordered meal plans. Companies like Nutrisystem and Jenny Craig now not only recommend the best weight loss diets, but deliver them to private homes." Speaking of stomachs, this quote made my mine twist. Do any regular contributers to this article have an opinion on this? What evidence is there for the term "easiest weight loss method?" seems like it needs sourced at best. Velophile 00:30, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Intentional Weight Loss classification

I am going to try to expand the classification of intentional weight loss.

I propose to expand the first paragraph.
Weight loss, in the context of medicine or health or physical fitness, is a reduction of the total body weight, due to a mean loss of fluid, body fat or adipose tissue and/or lean mass, namely bone mineral deposits, muscle, tendon and other connective tissue, through restriction in diet and/or increased physical activity.
This will allow us to go into:

Intentional Weight Loss Physical Activity

Diet

Any thoughts?--Libertate 13:14, 31 August 2007 (UTC)--Libertate 00:34, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Weight Loss Social Network

I suggest a new Social Network about Weight Loss for external link, http://www.extrapounds.com Thanks for all --Preceding unsigned comment added by Emoxion (talk o contribs) 15:59, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Need for cleanup

I've tagged this article as needing wikifying and cleanup - it reads as part ramble, and is very rarely sourced. I'm actually in the middle of a report on weight loss recommendations, so I'll come back in a few weeks and sort this thing out. -- Sasuke Sarutobi (talk) 09:54, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

I realize that almost a year has gone by since you appropriately tagged this article for cleanup, but I think there is still, at a minimum, a significant need for citations. If you are familiar with the references to support many of the claims in the article, your contributions could greatly enhance the clarity of the article. Thank you! Wiki emma johnson (talk) 00:02, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

removed info

Following info was removed:

Therapeutic weight loss techniques

The least intrusive weight loss methods, and those most often recommended by physicians, are adjustments to eating patterns and increased physical exercise.

Usually, health professionals will recommend that their overweight patients combine a reduction of the caloric content of the diet with an increase in physical activity. A good approach to do this might be to choose calorie-poor food and exercising at night (to avoid eating while watching TV, ...) If however, you exercise a lot during the course of the day (or all day for that matter), it may be better to not try to reduce your calories in your food during the day at all (you will usually burn all of it anyway during the day), and just eat when hungry, and, in addition, only try to reduce your calories at night. This method may be better for those people exercising all day to avoid to lose energy too quickly, which often translates in eating a lot more at certain moments, usually to this degree/speed of eating that you can no longer assess you've had enough. A good indicator to tell you that you didn't eat too much is again the hunger feeling; exercise until you feel tired and/or hungry and then go to bed only slightly hungry. However, even if you do not watch your calorie-density of your food (by the method explained just above), it is always best that you eat slowly, or eat a bit and then wait a little. Often, your hunger disappears if you leave a little time as the stomach needs time to digest and tell your body you've had enough. Also, another good complementary technique is not too make your food tasty at all and leaving it basic (to avoid "eating out of taste" instead of hunger); for this, one may eg decide to no longer put anything between theirButterbrot or sandwich, ...). In addition, a much proposed method to hold oneself to a decreased calorie-diet is to increase the amount of liquid you drink. When water or low-calorie drinks are not a working alternative/option, vegetables may be used instead. However, whenever possible (not hungry), (overweight) people are advocated of not eating/drinking at all, to allow the body/stomach to shrink, so that the person will automatically reduce the amount they eat (as the hunger feeling disappears), hereby normally (although not always) also decreasing the amounts of calories he consumes. Yet another method maybe the increasing of ambient temperature. Increasing the ambient temperature makes it much easier for certain people to endure the hunger feeling (as its intensity weakens with higher temperature Increasing the temperature may be done by either heating up the house (trough radiators, convectors, ...) -or- by putting on more clothes (eg several layers thereof and making sure the ends of the clothes overlap). Note that after a while, when you get used to the extra heat, your appetite may go up again; when this happens extra layers are added to again increase the heat. This latter method is recommended as it allows continuous high temperature (even if you go outside), is cheaper and also puts up less stress for the environment. Also, the implementation of a new hobby (eg listening music, ...) Most of these methods have been proposed by nutritionists as BCM and other organisations involved in weight loss Also, nutritionists as BCM advocate reducing the amounts you eat entirely (to only 3 meals a day).

Other methods of losing weight include use of drugs and supplements that decrease appetite, block fat absorption, or reduce stomach volume. Especially medicine with herbs as Fucus vesiculosus are popular . Also, there are also some mental tricks (eg brushing your teeth early to avoid snacking at night, avoiding to buy high-calorie foods at the supermarket, ...) that -although they may be low-tech-, have return big results . Finally, a more radical (and usually less recommended, unless really necessairy) method is Surgery. Bariatric surgery artificially reduces the size of the stomach, limiting the intake of food energy. Some of these treatments may have serious side-effects.

Please look into it and add references so that the info may be reuploaded to the article. Also following techniques are not described: the abstaining from sweets/sugar (which cause the bloodsugar-levels and the insulin-levels to swing, causing a wrong hunger-feeling (this can be done by avoiding white bread, pasta, table sugars, candy, pastry, ...)

also, remaining indoors can lead to too little vitamin D (from sunlight). As a result, one will eat more to get the vitamin D from food. As such, getting outdoors more often is also another technique.

stress is another factor which causes the hormone cortisol to break certain protein in our body to obtain energy. The body asks constantly for energy, leading to a unsaturatable hungerfeeling.

another technique is just filling up the stomach by eating mere low-density grains (eg by eating Lu cracottes naturel and reducing the amount of times you go to the watercloset. This will clog up the stomach, reducing the amount of times you get hungry (and thus the amount of times you add more calories every time you get another snack/meal)

Finally, the calorie-content of products such as potatoes has gone up (from 200 calories before to 610 cals today). This makes that one must eat less of them and allow the stomach to recognise the extra calories (by eating slowly).

Finally an extra link to wikihow (there are several articles here): http://www.wikihow.com/Eat-Properly --Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.246.145.199 (talk) 14:53, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I would like to suggest linking to bariatriclink.com it's a site with links to other sources of information. It's a not for profit website the advertising on the website is just to cover the hosting costs. This weekend the blog will go online which will feature a lot of useful information. The purpose of bariatriclinks.com is to inform and educate Thanks, for considering placing the link. Madberry (talk) 00:17, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Section on Eating Disorders?

I think this article could benefit from a section (perhaps under intentional weight loss or as a standalone) on eating disorders. It would seem appropriate to discuss the extreme measures that could be undertaken to curb appetite/reduce body weight and make a clear distinction between healthy weight loss practices vs. eating disorders. Please discuss. Wiki emma johnson (talk) 00:13, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

1. ^ Choosing a Safe and Successful Weight Loss Program
2. ^ Exercise at night better to avoid eating in front of TV
3. ^ Leaving some time after eating a little often causes hunger to disappear
4. ^ Hunger and appetite
5. ^ Implementation of new hobby to decrease weight
6. ^ Music for weight loss
7. ^ BCM proposing drinking more water to lose weight
8. ^ Other organisations proposing to drink more water to lose weight
9. ^ Fucus vesicolosus popular in weight loss
10. ^ Mental tricks as brushing teeth to lose weight

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